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at the connecticut elementary school. our deepest prayers and sympathies to all of the families and others hit by this senseless tragedy. the horror of the story may have muted trading on wall street today, as all priorities are being rearranged in a moment, and we will get you caught up on these markets in just a moment, but first we want to let you know. president obama is set to make a statement on this tragedy from the white house around 3:15 eastern. our john harwood is in washington with some more details on what we know right now. john? >> reporter: well, bill, the horror of this tragedy is also muted talk of anything else in washington for the day, including the fiscal cliff and all the issues that we've been discussing for some time now, but one of the jobs of a president is to console victims and to console the nation at a time of grief of this magnitude, so we're going to hear from the president at 3:15. jay carney earlier saying he wasn't going to discuss issues like gun control. it wasn't a day for politics. it's a day to focus on the victims of the tragedy, so you can expect the
in newtown, connecticut. what can be done, if politics is the art of the possible? where does the possible reside in america? we talk solutions today on "power lunch." my partner, sue herera, sue? >> let's look at where major averages sit right now. just a second ago, we were up 80 point on the dow. we are close to the highs of this session so far. nasdaq composite is up 29 on the trading session and s&p 45u7b is up 13. it is that optimism over the fiscal cliff which increased over the weekend after house speaker boehner edged ever closer to president obama's position. indeed, the speaker met with the president at the white house this morning. eamon javers is at the white house. eamon? >> previous meetings between the president and speaker had been telegraphed a little bit. this one was not today. this is an interesting development but a grim-faced speaker bainer who arrived back up on capitol hill not talking to reporters. we don't yet have a sense of what was in the meeting, what the substance of it was. what we do know is what speaker boehner offered on friday, in a phone call to the pr
money." i'm jim cramer. see you tomorrow! hey, larry, what do you have for us? connecticut, where the first of the victims from the tragedy here were laid to rest today. this grieving town begins the process of saying good-bye, investigators continue their search for how and why it all happened here. i'll have more coming up. devastation of superstorm sandy, but wait until you hear about all the pork loaded into this $60 billion sandy relief bill. hardly any of it gets to sandy and the actual survivors. we'll get to all that. "the kudlow report" begins right now. >>> first up, 14 days and the clock is still running for a deal to prevent the nation's economy from falling off the tax and fiscal cliff. president obama, speaker boehner, they huddled at the white house today once again, but are we really any closer to a compromise? we go back to cnbc's eamon javers who joins us from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, larry. you're right, they did meet today. it was a surprise meeting not announced as the previous meetings between the two men have
's shooting in connecticut. should investors, rather than the government, take the lead in attempting to influence gun policy? >>> herb greenberg will be out with his list of the worst ceos of the year. in this hour he will reveal number three. my partner sue herera on the floor of the new york stock exchange. hi, sue. >> hi, ty. it's a strong day with a triple digit advance. we have 13 days until america goes off the fiscal cliff. events moving faster in washington. house speaking boehner meeting with party members, moving to plan b. that deals with bush era tax cuts. the white house rejected that. investors like whatever progress we're seeing. s&p 500 at a two-month high. s&p up 1 1/3 -- 1.1 on s&p, dow jones industrial average up 114 points, almost a full% enand nasdaq up 1 1/3. the latest on how those negotiations are progressing. >> over the last 24 hours or so we've had a flurry of proposals, counter proposals, responses, responses to responses. as it lies right now, basically all those responses have been rejected by the other side. at the top of 2:00, we should have a new roun
power of the tragedy in newtown, connecticut, to try to put the pressure on republicans. he talked about them taking off their partisan war paint. he said he'd more than met them halfway in terms of spending cuts that he's offered, coming up in the income threshold for tax increases, and he has the upper hand in public opinion. there's no question about that. he is not surrendering that at this point. the question is whether speaker john boehner can move his caucus, even as far as he's already moved further toward the president. that's what the next couple days are going to be about. >> thank you very much, john. do you think, you think really sort of rumbling that we're hearing means that we have actually moved further away from the possibility of what i'm going to call the first of the 12 days of cliffness? >> insiders in both parties are telling me they think the prospects of no deal and going over the cliff have risen significantly. now, i continue to think that the fundamentals exist, as the president said in his news conference, there are only a few hundred billion dollars apart ov
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, connecticut, raising the prospect of policy changes to stem gun violence. it is monday, december 17th, 2012 and "squawk box" begins right now. >>> good morning, everyone. welcome to "squawk box" here on cnbc. i'm becky quick along with joe kernen and andrew ross sorkin. let's take a look at our lineup today. first off, bob doll will be giving us his lineup for stocks. that's coming up at 7:00 a.m. eastern time. at 8:00 eastern, a cnbc exclusive. david tepper, one of the world's top performing hedge fund managers will join us to give us some of his wisdom in a kaerc t can't-miss interview. a lot to talk about with him. in the meantime, why don't we get to some of today's top stories. we could see some movement in the fiscal cliff negotiations. house speaker boehner offering to raise the top tax rates on those making over $1 million a year as well as other measures amounting to $1 trillion in new revenue. that's in exchange for an equal amount in spending cuts. the white house has not yet accepted the proposal. >>> also, apple says it has sold more than 2 million in iphone 5s in china just o
, connecticut. it did have a stake in freedom group. it has invested $751.4 million as of the end of march. cerberus acquired bushmaster last year. and my column today focuses on the number of private equity firms that have major stakes in gunmakers. colt, by the way, is another that is one of them. mid ocean owns a piece of bushnell. doesn't make guns, makes everything but the gun itself. >> what do you mean, the components? >> if you want a 25 round magazine loader, they have it. if you want a military grade night vision, they have it. if you need laser guided things, that's what they make. >> but if you look at the numbers, the sales of a lot of these gunmakers, freedom group in particular have been rising sharply. and, you know, the day after -- >> and the automatic rifle, that's where the growth is coming from. >> absolutely. the day after president obama was elected, you saw a sharp jump in sales. >> i should say as of last night when i was working on this piece, there was a a briefly statement been eliot spitzer wrote an item on his blog. at the time, it was not clear that you will
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in the wake of the connecticut tragedy, but the questions were mostly focused on the fiscal cliff. the president said he couldn't understand why john boehner was detouring to plan b because the differences are narrow enough that they can still work it out. >> i've said i'm willing to make some cuts. what separates suss probably a few hundred billion dollars. the idea that we would put our economy at risk because you can't bridge that gap doesn't make a lot of sense. >> the smackdown from john boehner came shortly afterwards. it was short and sweet. he spoke for less than a minute and he said the onus is going to be on president obama if we go over the fiscal cliff. >> tomorrow the house will pass legislation to make permanent tax relief for nearly every american, 99.81% of the american people. and then the president will have a decision to make. he can call on senate democrats to pass that bill or he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in american history. >> now bainor aides say they're confident they can pass their plan b, which would raise taxes only on incomes of a
the tragic shooting in connecticut, of course. the new york stock exchange will hold a moment of silence to honor the victims in the next few moments, and we'll be looking at the president's call for meaningful action and the politics of gun control. >> let's get to a road map for this morning. it starts with apple. under pressure once again. even dipping below $500 a share at some point this morning. shares will remain range bound near term. iphone 5 sales and cannibalization among the region. >> other concessions from the gop, the speaker proposing tax hikes for millionaires. could this be the tipping point. moving the talks beyond deadlock. >> a big week for earnings. yes, earnings. fedex, research in motion among the companies reporting. so finally maybe we'll be talking about fundamentals in the stock market more than just the cliff. we've got to talk about apple reversing its move lower this morning, sold more than 2 million iphone 5s in china. the best debut for any iphone in the china market. apple shares are higher as we mentioned. moving away from market bear territory. apple h
in newtown, connecticut. >> yep. >> we're all hugging our children a little more tightly this season. >> and everything's on the table. >> as an outdoorsman, i think we need to completely rethink guns in america. >> i think we need to protect our kids at the school, though. everything's on the table. >> our thoughts and prayers are with the families in newtown. >> thank you both very much. right now it's time for "squawk on the street." good morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." which debuted on cnbc's seven years ago today. happy anniversary to us. i'm melissa lee with carl and jim cramer and david faber live from the new york stock exchange. let's look at how we're setting up after yesterday's rally. particular strength in yesterday's rally. we didn't get housing starts, that's earlier today. as for the picture in europe, really the stand outout here is the euro. greece getting a five notch upgrade at the s&p. our road map this morning starts with gm. government motors no more. the treasury to exit its stake in the next 12 to 18 months, purchasing 2 million shares by the end
and charged with wire fraud by the connecticut u.s. attorney. in a statement, the u.s. attorney from connecticut stating this defendant orchestrated the unauthorized purchase of approximately $1 billion of apple stock in a fraudulent get-rich-quick scheme that back fired, causing massive losses for his employer. once again, rockdale securities trader david miller arrested and charges with wire fraud. back to you. >> all right, mary. thanks very much. we have 30 minutes until the closing bell sounds for the day. up about 19 points on the dow jones industrial average. nasdaq in the negative right now. >>> famed fund mortgage jeremy grantham, remember him? he warned of the tech and housing bubbles before they burst. now he's making a new dire prediction. if he's right t would make the tech and housing bubble look like a walk in the park. details coming up. >>> then, businesswoman and donald trump's daughter ivanka trump is with us. she's finding it hard to operate in the economic uncertainty. we'll ask her about that. she'll join us later outside the new york stock exchange. back in a m
:15 moment of silence remembering what happened in connecticut. so i don't know. it seems to be maybe there is a muted sense there's going to be a spirit of compromise up there in washington now. we've seen some rotational action. cyclicals are down, banks are up. they seem to anticipate that this is going to be resolved. and then the implications are if we don't have a santa claus rally as we talked about, then we'll see something in january. because this last quarter has been sort of a wait and see kind of thing. that would probably speak to a good quarter for us next time around. >> you know, i wonder. i don't know that anybody's happy with oh, well this is going to be a january affair. and we're not going to deal with this after christmas. did you see a change in money flows? you're there on the floor watching real money move throughout sectors. did you see any change today or on friday as people felt that maybe we are at the beginning of a deal? or still people are sort of sitting on their hands and not wanting to move money around? >> getting more active. but it's been rotationa
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'd like to say, that i think all of our hearts and prayers are with the families in newtown, connecticut. as a father, i cannot even imagine the utter horror that those families are going through right now, grieving the loss of their children and their loved ones. as far as the fiscal cliff is concerned, as the speaker has said, we remain committed to trying to minimize the impact on hard-working families and small businesses in this country, as far as tax increases are concerned. we look to find the answer to solve the problem on the spending issue here in washington. the president is not yet there. he has not come to where he needs to be in order for us to push through a bill that really does begin to address the problem. and as the speaker said, that's why we are now discussing an alternative plan, if the president and the white house cannot come our way. thank you. >> as the speaker and the leader said, we've been trying to make sure we do not go off this fiscal cliff. but at the same time, put america on a different path. one for job creation, one that also takes care of our spendin
to the pete of newtown, connecticut, a town shattered by friday's shooting and elementary school. 26 people were killed, including 20 children, before the gunman killed himself. speaking at the service, the president noted this was the fourth time he's had to console a community during his time in office. and he demanded changes in the way the u.s. deals with gun violence. >> we will be told that the causes of such violence are complex. and that is true. no single law, no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. but that can't be an excuse for ip action. surely we can do better than this. >> the president says he will meet with a group of law enforcement parents and teachers in an effort to prevent future tragedies. several democratic lawmakers are now calling for a new push on tougher u.s. gun laws, including a ban on military-style assault weapons. >>> we'll take a short break. still to come, why china's new leaders see a future where economic growth isn't driven so much by exports. we'll have the latest. i always wait until
to class. reporting live in newtown, connecticut, danielle lee. bill, back to you. >> thanks, danielle. i'll take it. 45 minutes, 40 minutes rather before the closing bell sounds for the day. a market that's holding on to the gains very close to the highs, up 98 points, shy of the high, 13,333 on the industrial. j.c. penney and groupon's ceo on herb greenberg's list of worst ceo. he'll be along to tell us why he's being so mean to these ceos. and coming up, home depot founder ken langone will join me coming up and will join me for the entire hour next hour on the "closing bell." [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. so why exactly should that be of any interest to you? well, in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. like the transatlantic cable that connected continents. and the panama canal that made our world a smaller place. we supported the marshall plan that helped europe regain its strength. and pioneered the atm, so you can get cash when you want it. it's
of the newtown connecticut tragedy. we love the way you all have been strong in support of them. >> thank you. i very much appreciate that. michael, let me ask you, what do you want to be avoiding in 2013? >> i think you have to look at it from the standpoint of extreme. it's clearly in the bond market. it's clearly in the love for dividends. it's clearly in the love for income versus capital appreciation, versus cycle kral. i call this the rocky balboa stock market. we've had tremendous swings from the bears. you cannot deny the resilience, best year since '09. how is it comparatively smaller fiscal cliff going to do it? >> he does have a point. the relative strength of this market this year has been impressive given all the headwinds that this market has. >> it's been macho ka macho. that's the fighter who just passed away in puerto rico. it has taken blows like you can't believe and has hung in there. and the market leads the economy, not the economy leads the market. we remain defensively positioned because of profits, production and personal income. but we do know maybe we need to change th
connecticut and new jersey to make sure we help our clients get back up in their homes, businesses and so on and so forth. what that sends by the customers there's value in what we're doing. we're began to continue to go out. it's important for companies to protect themselves from cyber attacks and address your suit, just like another hurricane coming through. are you seeing them sitting on their hand and not wanting to do anything? there's two different men at all times. the consumer is spending like they have been, but the business is a lot more cautious. >> my business is one where it says regardless of your miss you need to protect your certainly risks, and we have do is provide them different call at all request if we had a situation where the money couldn't come out of their capital. in effect, rear-ended capital from us. if you think about some of the cast physical in japan and i'll and cries mist. all of those can a ghastly and issues that we deal, plus the day-to-day issues that people face, it's good for our business. >> what you're saying is your business is -- the interest rat
to try to present to people. first of all, there's an assault weapons ban in connecticut to start with. secondly, a killer like this, a man who's as demented as this man was andbrilliant as he was, he's going to find away to do it with weapons. kn not with weapons, he'll do it with bombs and other weapons. i see why you can't have a reasonable restriction on assault weapons. i'm perfectly okay with that. i'm not okayky trying to prevent a simplistic answer. this is about mental health. our ability to track people, incarcerate people who harry mentally ill. about our ability to understand why they're acting the way they're acting, stricter law enforcement in those areas. you another, new york city has very low crime. we have very strict gun control in new york city. chicago has very high murder rate. they have the same strict gun control in chicago. i never thought it was about gun control. in and of itself, gun control meaning assault weapons control is worth taking a good look at, but the way the president is presenting this, he's going to run into problems with his own democrats who
to the "kudlow report." i am larry kudlow. one week after the devastating school shooting in newtown, connecticut, left 26 people dead, the national rifle association is breaking its silence. the gun rights group is calling on congress to put armed guards at every school. it's a very interesting development. actually, we could bring in -- let's go right to nbc's danielle lee. she's going to join us with the nra details. good evening, danielle. >> reporter: larry, good evening. after a week long talk about gun control and protecting our children, the situation isn't fewer guns, but more of them on camp campus. the nra's leader blamed the media for a culture of violence. and also accused the country of failing to protect our children by not putting police on every campus with guns. >> the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> even supporters of the nra called the organization out of touch with america. lawmakers and top educators fired back. they say any solution also needs to include gun control and mental health care. >> i don't believe that the only way to stop
. they are surging repossessions up in and 84% jump in new jersey and up as well in connecticut. you don't need a crystal ball it see the future. just the foreclosure starts numbers. that the first stage of foreclosure in new york, new jersey, arkansas and washington. you see the repo man will be busy there in 2013. now, home prices have been rising nicely. but this new supply of bank-owned properties coming to market next year could temper though gains a bit and remember, the overall drop in foreclosure activity is due it a big jump in short sales and principal reduction loan mods and those are on the fiscal cliff if we lose on the forgiveness. we have plenty more to look at on the facebook page, so go ahead and go to it, as well as the blog. sue? >> thanks, we will. >> the global natural resources continues. they just inked a joint venture with aca. you see the stock pop reopen. it was halted for trading. they are doing a joint venture in canada for space of land that could have up to 9 billion barrels ever oil or equivalent. they are paying a billion up front at close. another billion over f
, the fiscal cliff, newtown, connecticut, what happened up there, that's the gem feeling overall. jcpenney, they've had promotions walking away from it every day, low discount price story. oppenheimer noted discount racks had been cleared and the traffic seems to have improved in that store. maybe that change in their philosophy has helped them out. that's a note that was out on oppenheimer today. bottom line here, guys, is i think we are seeing some movement with some companies to deal with some of these retail sales issues. you'll see a lot of pressure on margins. david, i think you mentioned this, about what was going on with inflows and outflows from equity mutual funds. it's true we're continuing to get outflows from equity mutual funds. that's certainly been disappointing. we had it going through up until last week. the end of last week, it was reported the first outflows from treasuries. more specifically, from general bond funds. that's the first time we've seen this in a very, very long time. all right, it was a very small number, something on the order of $1 billion or something
being up. all of a sudden then, we had the impacts of sandy, a tragedy up in newtown, connecticut, and just a lot of other factors that just put a damper on the season. >> so, it is fair to say that it started better than it ended now. >> it started better than it ended. there was a lot of excitement around black friday. i mean it was almost like the super bowl. they have all this advertising, drag people out, it's the biggest event of the year come shopping, and then week after that we had the pro bowl. there was no excitement. there was no reason to come out shopping. so big bang, but it kind of waned as we went into the season. >> how much of the season is in the books now? i mean, what's still left to happen? >> there's a couple of big days still coming. i think this weekend is a big weekend as people redeem gift cards, go into the stores, exchange items for what they're looking for. hopefully get that add-on sale and people start to take advantage of the clearance sale, i would say, though, 95% of it is in the books. we've probably got some strong days ahead of us, though, th
especially after the horrible shooting in connecticut. marshall cohen at the mpd group says retailers had problems long before the tragedy. he says, quote, the lack of sales is due to the lack of excitement in merchandise and to blame it on this terrible disaster upsets me. and then of course there's everybody's concern about debt. they're avoiding it. >> christine, delinquency rates that are still very, very low compared to the last ten years. so i don't think that consumers are going wild this year. >> we heard that a lot. finally, it's even been a little slow they say at saks 5th avenue, on 5th avenue in new york city. our producer took these pictures. sw retail advisers says you could, quote, in saks hear a pin drop during a 60% sale going into saturday. but, bill and maria, i was in the very store in new york last week, my first time at saks during this time of the year. if that is slow for christmas, i don't want to know what busy is. i couldn't even get down the aisle. >> by the way, jane wells, you mentioned c's candy. unbelievably, they opened some kiosks in malls in the northeas
the prospects for a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, congressman jim himes, democrat from connecticut. congressman, there are some in both parties, i don't know, maybe they wouldn't admit it, they don't think it's the worst thing in the world to go over temporarily. where are you? >> you know, i think there's some chance we get a deal in the early weeks of january which means technically you are going over the cliff. if you vote on the deal that john boehner couldn't get done in his conference thursday, if you vote on that in january, a deficit deal than december. it's actually a tax decrease. i don't think nothing is going to happen in the coming weeks. it is possible we get into the first week of january before something to vote on. congress has gotten used to doing things at the last minute and it's not exactly clear when the last minute is here. >> i've been saying for a while you don't have to deal with 400 or 500 grand, get 250, what the president has wanted all along and get the republicans to not vote for a tax cut for everybody under 250. why hasn't that been the strategy or
, the hurricane sandy, the track dpi in connecticut, people had a lot on their minds this season. this weekend was a key weekend. i think it helped. i didn't see promotions being extra promotional. but it's a push till the end. >> okay, so winners and losers? >> i think some of the winners, i think you're going to see companies like tjx, macy's. i think american eagle outfitters, even gap had a very good season, along with michael kors. >> losers? >> i think you had a tough time at jcpenney. i think the traffic was tough there all the time. i think kohl's had to be extra promotional in order to be able to drive the sales. and the whole children's sector was very promotional. from gymboree to children's place. >> so, dana, jason trennert from strat eegous. how are you doing? >> good, how are you, jason? >> good. normally retail stocks outperform in january, because i think that phenomenon that andrew was talking about is that there's a general sense that christmas gifts canceled at a certain point and then it comes back at the end and then you wind up having a big january and the stocks tend to
is the ticker on this of course, troubles surrounding the newtown, connecticut, shooting a lot of sellers on that stock during that period of time, today, issuing another $15 billion, expand its buy back program which it just announced with its fiscal second quarter results, announced 20 million share -- $20 million worth of buy backs and expand that to 15. nice gain on the shares. >> >> a big winner for the year. look at that chart. >> all handgunmakers, talking about this before, how ironic you can the obama administration was seen strict irbefore the elections and hand brought forward the dematte manned that might have been in the future, people wanted to bite hand guns. >> always the case. any time the debate over gun control flares up. >> does the framework of the "wall street journal" piece tell us anything new about best buy, sears? >> for sears, we have seen them cut costs, cut costs, sears and the kmart stores. it seems that this year the reckoning, the kmart operation, people have lost track of that if you send people inside kmart today, i think you basically find a relatively h
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